American Vision has just brought back into print another great book, The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States. Originally published in 1864, it documents the Christian roots of our civil institutions in a way that would make modern secularists beg for mercy. Or as American Vision’s Gary DeMar says in their email marketing blurb:
I was debating an ACLU attorney at Christmas on an NPR station. I pulled out a Xerox copy of The Christian Life and Character of the Civil Institutions of the United States and said to her: "Until you answer this book, the ACLU can’t make a case against America’s Christian founding." She was shocked when she saw it. She asked where I had gotten it. The only thing that gave her relief was the fact that the book was not in print. But now it is.
De Mar goes on to say
Be afraid ACLU. Be very afraid. Morris packs The Christian Life and Character with page after page of original source material making the case that American was founded as a Christian nation.
The evidence is unanswerable and irrefutable. This 1000-page book will
astound you and send enemies of Christianity into shock. Keep in mind
that it was published in 1864 and has been out of print for more than a
century.
This book is now on my to-purchase list, along with another great history book recently republished from antiquity, Annals of the World,
a world history that covers from the beginning of known human history
up to the time of the book’s publication in the 17th century.
I find it interesting that Mr DeMar choses not to give any details for this "debate," no name, date, place or even call letters. Thus it is impossible to check the veracity of his claim.
I find it interesting that Mr DeMar choses not to give any details for this “debate,” no name, date, place or even call letters. Thus it is impossible to check the veracity of his claim.
A public domain, PDF version of this book is available at Google books: http://books.google.com/books?id=H92keUU_Xy8C
Gary's story seemed rather dubious. It'd be out of character for an ACLU attorney to seem relieved at a book being out of print, since their mission is fighting for free speech no matter how offensive.
I went to npr.org looking for media or transcripts of this alleged debate, but neither "Gary DeMar" nor "until you answer this book" turned up any results in the transcript database going back to 1990.
He could be describing something that took place on The Gary DeMar Show; I don't know if it airs on any NPR stations. Though it seems like he would say "on my show" instead of "on an NPR station" if that were the case.
I've written mail@americanvision.com politely asking for the name of the show, call letters of the station, and date of the broadcast.
Cool, let us know what you find out.
Neither Gary DeMar nor the legal mafia ACLU are germaine to the point of the book. The objective, indisputable fact remains that the United States of America was founded on, and as a nation of, principles of Christianity. This is obvious to all except the mentally challenged.
"Legal mafia"? I can't imagine why you compare civil liberties activists to a crime syndicate. Since you call everyone who disagrees with you "mentally challenged", it must be that I am very stupid.
You are correct that the veracity or lack thereof of a publisher's marketing anecdote does not bear on the incorrectness of this book's thesis.
The history of the United States Constitution indicates that the goverment was intentionally created as a secular institution neutral to religion. To me, your so-called "objective, indisputable fact" seems, obviously, very disputable.
The history of the United States Constitution indicates that the goverment was intentionally created as a secular institution neutral to religion.
That's a half truth. The real truth is somewhere inbetween, and the 'secular' nature of the founders intent is not the same anti-religious , extreme separationism of today's secularists. To try to impose that on history is ludicrous, as books like this show.
And the founders also didn't intend the crypto-theocracy today's extreme Christianists seek. Freedom of religion is one of our most precious rights. But that doesn't mean that religionists have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. The American gov't. should be neutral in this matter, and not subject to the prejudices of extreme christianists.
extreme Christianists? who are they? what is it that they want? there is much, much more extremist activity from the left, but that activity is given a pass due to the MSM political stance giving it the shroud of normalcy. i would much rather have a godly person in office than not. ones political philosophy is based somewhere and on something, i would rather have my leaders mind based on christian values.
"The American gov't. should be neutral in this matter, and not subject to the prejudices of extreme christianists." ——-
neutral in what matter? are the founding documents of our country based upon judeo/christian values? if a man grows up christian, or jew, or muslim, of course the values taught him will influence his decision making all of his life, even the tough decisions having to be made in office.
ACLU-
"Legal mafia"? I can't imagine why you compare civil liberties activists to a crime syndicate." ——-
the ACLU has proven itself an extension of the left.
But that doesn't mean that religionists have the right to impose their beliefs on the rest of us.
It really depends on what you mean by "impose their beliefs." If it means making Christianity a requirement for office, you are right. If it means pretecting the weak (pro-life) and the family (pro hetero marriage), I'd say such things are not the imposition of belief any more than their opposite counterparts.
We both must rely on public ethics, not appeals to religion. However, I would include statements such as "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" as an acceptable public statement worthy of use as a foundation in public policy.
The ACLU was originally the Concientious Objectors Bureau set up to opppose the draft during the First World War. When the war ended, they defended radicals during the so-called Red Scare. Their close ties to the Communist Party included being located in the same New York building as the Party newspaper. With the end of the Red Scare, they needed a new cause, and latched on to the law prohibiting the teaching of the theory of evolution in Tennessee. When local boosters in the town of Dayton read about the ACLU's offer to defend anyone challenging the law in a Nashville paper, the famous "Scopes Trial" began. The whole trial was nothing but a publicity stunt for all involved – the moral and intellectual issues raised in "Inherit the Wind" were a creation of the 1950s.
The ACLU is like any other organization – an entity that is in business to stay in business. Period.
No, the ACLU is a nonprofit organization with a mission, to preserve American civil liberties. They fight for First Amendment rights, due process, and equality under the law.
Despite how many times they've defend freedom of religion for Christians, ungrateful Christianists regard them as an enemy for fighting Christianist infringements of freedom of religion.
Well said, Robin.
i hope they can help support the 2nd amendment SCOTUS ruling up and coming. i look forward to their constitutional stance.
i mean, they support the individuals right on pornography and the right for women to abort their babies, maybe they will support the individuals right to self defense. right.
left wing outfit.
Mr. Lionheart, what instances did the ACLU defend the Christian beliefs?
You mean defending Christian's rights, surely.
The ACLU's website lists many recent instances of the ACLU defending the rights of Christians since 1995, though it leaves out landmark earlier cases as far back as Lovell v. City of Griffin (1938), which successfully petitioned the Supreme Court to overturn a Georgia ordinance prohibiting Alma Lovell from distributing religious literature without a City Manager's permit.
I think the comments have been hijacked..
USA = Christian
Get over it.
Hey, Trolls:
USA = whatever the hell each individual AMERICAN wants
You and your Talibaptists need to get over trying to cram Christianity down everyone's throats.
Just wondering how many of the supporters here have read the above book?
When was the last time someone forced you to accept religion of any kind? You should have lived in the USSR where the Communist Religion was forced on people. LOL
ACLU=Anti Christian Liberals United. ACLU has never, I repeat NEVER defended Christians. When many of you defame the name of Christ, you spit in the eye of God Almighty. Don't think for one minute that you won't be held accountable. You may run but you cannot hide from facts. It is a fact that JESUS CHRIST is THE ONE AND ONLY SON OF THE LIVING GOD. I have said it, you have read it, so you are heneforth without excuse if you chose to ignore it.
Jerry, though the ACLU is mostly liberal and anti-christian in the cases it takes, that is not entirely true. I mean, it looks like they take maybe one case a year :) See the following:
ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School
Of course, while they will support your right to condemn abortion (from a distance), they certainly do NOT support the efforts to protect the unborn, but rather, champion the mothers right to "choose" to kill the baby.
If you go through their press releases, you'll see a few like this, showing that, where it fits their philosophy:
ACLU Supports Right of Iowa Students to Distribute Christian Literature at School (2002)
After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries (2004)
ACLU Supports Christian Group in T-Shirt Case (2006)
ACLU Announces Settlement in Case of Christian Barred from Preaching in Rhode Island Prison (2007)
However, a recent challenge to identify Christian ACLU Lawyers didn't turn up much ;).
"However, a recent challenge to identify Christian ACLU Lawyers didn't turn up much ;)."
Four years ago is not terribly recent. And it turned up this guy.
I don't see any evidence that the guy who responded was a Christian, any more than he writes "I am a Christian."
The content of his post, with such phrases as "I believe that the ACLU acts in a Christian manner" assures me that this guy is a liberal, rather than a biblical Christian. I mean, if you want to accept *that*, sure, there are lots of 'christians' in the ACLU, just like there are in the KKK, the Mormon Church, and the Unitarian Church.
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