African Americans are leaving the Democratic party in greater numbers because they feel that it’s liberal and anti-religious values don’t match theirs. A new video, Emancipation, Revelation, Revolution, documents the history of black gains erased by Democrats after reconstruction, and shows many prominent modern blacks who say that they are willing to risk the rejection and ridicule (being called "Uncle Toms") of many blacks who think that the liberal emphasis on government programs is really in their best interest.
In fact, the term "liberal plantation" refers to how minorities are
kept in a state of slave-like dependence on government by many of the
liberal hand-out programs (entitlement programs), which keeps them from fulfilling their true
potential. Books such as Uncle Sam’s Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America’s Poor and What We Can Do About It illustrate these ideas.
And as far as liberal values are concerned, many conservative blacks are pro-family biblical Christians, and are offended that gay-rights
advocates sully the purity of the black civil rights movement by
claiming parity with the black movement.
"I know deep in my sanctified soul that my dad didn’t march for same-sex marriage"
– Dr. Bernice King, youngest daughter of Martin luther King Jr.
You can watch the ERR trailer and an interview with the director.
What, no one cares that one of Martin Luther King's daughters has said that he did not march for gay marriage? No one cares that blacks are going Republican because they are waking up?
What, no one cares that one of Martin Luther King's daughters has said that he did not march for gay marriage?
I asked a similar question about Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter having a baby. What? Don't right wing conservatives care about this? I guess the answer is a big No.
No one cares that blacks are going Republican because they are waking up?
This remains to be seen. Especially, if Obama gets the nomination.
What, no one cares that one of Martin Luther King’s daughters has said that he did not march for gay marriage?
I asked a similar question about Dick Cheney’s lesbian daughter having a baby. What? Don’t right wing conservatives care about this? I guess the answer is a big No.
No one cares that blacks are going Republican because they are waking up?
This remains to be seen. Especially, if Obama gets the nomination.
I asked a similar question about Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter having a baby.
I dunno, what do you expect us to say? Lots of people have sex out of wedlock. Does her behavior reflect on Cheney? You think we should impeach him?
Seeker, it's the exact same thing. Why should anyone especially care what Martin Luther King Jr.'s daughter thinks about gay marriage?
Because she claims to speak for her father, who is now dead, and since she has a more intimate knowledge of him, we should perhaps give her opinion some weight.
Cheney's daughter is not claiming to speak for him. Your comparison is a non-sequitur, it doesn't apply.
I would give Ron Reagan's opinion some weight, and I would even agree with his analysis of the Bush Administration.
So I am being consistent. Your use of Ron Reagan, by my own standard, is correct, as is mine of King's daughter. However, the Cheney example does not fit.
So I am being consistent. Your use of Ron Reagan, by my own standard, is correct, as is mine of King's daughter.
Good, to go back to my initial response then…
What, no one cares that one of Martin Luther King's daughters has said that he did not march for gay marriage? – Seeker
I asked a similar question about
Dick Cheney's lesbian daughterRonald Reagan's sonhaving a babyadvocating embryonic stem cell research and liberalism. What? Don't right wing conservatives care about this? I guess the answer is a big No.A couple of thoughts on this:
First, Bernice King was barely five years old when her father was shot to death. She undoubtedly has more access to information and materials about her dad than most anyone in the country, but it's kind of important to remember that she didn't really know him. It's simply not realistic to think that a five year old has any meaningful understanding adult political behavior.
Second, this is as pointless a discussion as when you two trot out Jefferson quotes. Had one asked MLK in 1967 whether he supported the idea of gay people marrying each other, I think it's fairly obvious that he would have said no. Does anyone really think otherwise? But it's totally irrelevant. The fact that he helped lead the Civil Rights movement in America does not give him a lock on ethics, or exclude him from common societal prejudices. Martin Luther King Jr. may have been a great man, but he was just a man. He was also unfaithful to his wife, and he was a plagiarist. Big deal.
The fact that he helped lead the Civil Rights movement in America does not give him a lock on ethics, or exclude him from common societal prejudices.
I don't attribute any sort of "lock on ethics" to Dr. King. I still respect the man though.
Martin Luther King Jr. may have been a great man, but he was just a man. He was also unfaithful to his wife, and he was a plagiarist. Big deal.
You are right about this, of course. King was just a man. But, look at what he accomplished. King's humanity does not detract from his greatness. I went through a similar dilemma when I learned about Leni Riefenstahl. She was a devotee of Hitler. She filmed the "Triumph of the Will" which was used as Nazi propaganda to great effect. I felt guilty about admiring the art in this work but we must separate the person from the art. Mozart might have been a horrible person, at least according to Salieri, but it's hard to deny the genius of his music. I think that whatever we think of Dr. King personally, it must be separated from his "art." When you do this, it IS a big deal.
Don’t right wing conservatives care about this? I guess the answer is a big No.
Not much. But it’s a valid comparison. Maybe conservatives should back off of stem cell research, and liberals should back off of gay marriage. I will if you will ;)
Cineaste, I agree with what you're saying. I didn't at all meant to detract from King's work. My point was that he was unfaithful and a plagiarist — and probably other unflattering things as well — but he also contributed more than any other single person to the Civil Rights movement.
Seeker cited King's daughter in an attempt to invoke King's moral expertise, and I'm saying that his moral expertise does not exist outside of the arena of racial equality. The fact that he was likely a homophobe in no way detracts from his great work against segregation, and his great work against segregation in no way validates his probable homophobia.
Seeker cited King’s daughter in an attempt to invoke King’s moral expertise, and I’m saying that his moral expertise does not exist outside of the arena of racial equality.
You are insinuating motives where none exist. I made no conclusions from it, only remarked that it was interesting. You can make of it what you like.
By the way, I’m not homophobic, since I’m not afraid of gays, nor do i hate them, though I despise pro-gay justifications. I morally disapprove of homosexuality. No phobias involved. It’s a pejorative political term meant to demean opponents. It’s as inaccurate as calling abortionists pro-death. It’s dumb.
I’m saying that his moral expertise does not exist outside of the arena of racial equality.
One thing that you might want to consider as well Stewart is that in the 1960’s homosexuality was not the moral issue it is today. I don’t think there was nearly as much awareness and perhaps King’s “probable” homophobia could be understood because of the moral climate of the period. In many ways, intentional or not, Dr. King (through Ghandi) did pave the way for the gay rights movement.