European writer Fjordman has a new essay on Islam in Europe. He argues that, with huge Muslim immigration into large and capitol cities, these locations are being Islamified. Here’s my summary of points. If you think it can’t happen in Western countries, it is already happening there, and will in the US if we do not take action to stop it, and we need to put multiculturalism in it’s place – that is, we can’t halt discernment for fear of offending minorities. If they break the law, they get the penalties. If they are more suspicious based on demographics, then we profile. (As an aside, Robert Spencer, author of The Truth About Muhammed, was recently profiled in an airport, and he talks about why he was NOT offended).
- Immigration of Muslims to large, and capitol cities is "out of control," even though conservative thinktanks that predicted such were mocked as "alarmist."
- White families are leaving London while migrants move in
- Minority enclaves become increasingly unwelcoming to non-members, and there are already reports of Hindus being driven out of Muslim ghettos in England.
- In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe laid tou their strategy for Islamifying European countries
- Don’t integrate
- Concentrate in a particular area until you are the majority, so that the institutions of the local community (schools, shops, advertisements) come to reflect Islamic structures.
- Push for Sharia law in these areas, and defend it by claiming that to deny this right is "racist"
- In France, Muslims already have many smaller "Muslim states within French states"
- "From 106 hot points in 1991, we went to 818 sensitive areas in 1999." The term she used, "sensitive areas," was used to describe Muslim no-go zones where anything representing a Western institution (post office truck, firemen, even mail order delivery firms) was routinely ambushed with Molotov cocktails. The number was 818 in 2002, when the French government decided to stop collecting the statistics.
- Violence against non-conforming women in these sectors of town has increased dramatically
- Muslim children are missing lots of public school, esp. when "objectionable" content is taught
- Muslim students regularly boycotted classes that concerned Voltaire, Rousseau and Moliere, whom the students accused of being anti-Islamic. Orbin’s report cited Muslim students’ refusal to use the "plus" sign in mathematics because it looks like a crucifix; Muslims boycotting class trips to churches, cathedrals and monasteries; and forcing wholesale changes in school lunch fare to accommodate their religious practices.
- Muslims are targeting the workplace too
- A report commissioned by several retail and courier companies stated that the Islamists’ strategy is to "take control of Muslims within the workforce" and then "challenge the rules in order to impose Islamic values."
- In the Netherlands, Muslims will soon make up the majority in all major cities.
- All across Europe, debate on Islam is being stopped.
- Italy’s greatest living writer, Oriana Fallaci, soon comes up for trial in her home country, and in Britain the government seems intent on pushing through laws that would make truths about Islam and the conduct of its followers impossible to voice. Europe is shuffling into darkness. It is proving incapable of standing up to its enemies, and in an effort to accommodate the peripheral rights of a minority is failing to protect the most basic rights of its own people."
- Plans for Islamification are openly talked about by Muslims
- Jahjah, who has called the 9/11 attacks "sweet revenge," recruits Muslim youth to spread his ideology, which calls for the introduction of sharia in Europe.
- "We have three basic demands," he says. "Bilingual education for Arab-speaking kids, hiring quotas that protect Muslims, and the right to keep our cultural customs." "Assimilation is cultural rape. It means renouncing your identity, becoming like the others." Jahjah has also demanded that Arabic should be made an official language in Belgium.
- Blind people with their guide dogs are finding it increasingly difficult to get a taxi ride due to the large number of Muslim cab drivers
- Grethe Olsen, accompanied by her guide dog Isak, experienced being rejected by no less than 21 taxis before finally getting a ride. Olsen thought the taxi drivers said no for religious reasons. The Norwegian Blind Association confirmed that this is a well known problem all over the country, especially in cities with many immigrants. Dogs are considered extremely dirty animals in Islam and only permitted for certain limited uses, such as guarding your property.
- Non-muslims in Sweden are wanting to flee urban areas because of increased Islamic violence
- In Sweden, reports about criminal gangs and mafias, a phenomenon that is growing day by day, are coming in from urban areas all over the country, and a feeling of powerlessness is spreading among ordinary citizens. "We have no other possibility than to flee from this area. Families cannot fight against these problems alone. We are talking about survival, you can get stabbed here. We can only survive by attempting to avoid getting targeted."
- Neither Feriz nor Pajtim expressed any sympathy for their victims. "If they get injured, they just have themselves to blame for being weak," said Pajtim and shrugged.
- Corruption among Muslim officers in the UK
- A secret high-level UK police report concluded that Muslim officers were more likely to become corrupt than white officers, with complaints of misconduct and corruption against Muslim officers running 10 times higher than against their colleagues.
- Increased urban insecurity means that the state is not able to guarantee the security of its citizens.
- If ordinary citizens feel that the state is no longer able to guarantee the safety of their loved ones, then perhaps native Europeans will create groups and "clans" of their own, to counter the Muslim clans. The result will be a re-tribalization of our countries. The downfall of the nation state, if it happens, will be chaotic, painful and bloody. Can it still be avoided? Only time will tell.
Are we taking this threat seriously enough?
Olbermann: the beginning of the end of America
Those are good points, that overreaction to fears have led to serious abuses. However, his outrage and Bush-hate seems overblown.
And I see he doesn't condemn our abuse of power in stopping Hitler. And Islam has a lot in common with Nazism (racisism, global conquest, hate for Jews, willingness to justify genocide like in the Sudan).
And I think that Islam is different from many of our past "enemies" in many significant ways, and is therefore deserving of more serious resistance from those who love freedom:
– its teachers AND adherents, even in western countries, call for beheadings, death to unbelievers, and vigilante actions
– its strategies to Muslimize western cultures are open secrets, yet we delude ourselves into thinking that such claims only come from the fringe
– its influence in Europe clearly shows the chaos that it creates in countries that don't take strong stands for liberty and against its fanaticism, which is more than a minority in the Islamic world.
Islam is a cancer on humanity, plain and simple. Whatever good teachings it has are largely copied from the Jewish and Christian scriptures, and the rest that it has contributed is largely murder, racism, and hate. The sooner we see that, the sooner we can prevent the next 9/11. But of course, that really wasn't a Muslim thing, noooo.
One more thing. All of my summary are real facts and occurrences that indicate that Islam is a real threat to the west, and will get worse if we do not take action. And while we need to be careful to not violate people's civil rights, we also have a responsibility to protect our culture from the fear and oppression of Islam. As the author well said:
And I see he doesn't condemn our abuse of power in stopping Hitler.
Islam is a cancer on humanity, plain and simple.
Those statements are dangerous.
One could easily replace the latter with text from post WWI Germany with the Rise of Hitler to say:
"[The Jews] are a cancer on humanity, plain and simple"
So, like the Nazis, are we prepared to fire up the gas ovens, round up all the Muslims practicing Islam, and kill them off?
That seems to be the general attitude that is floating around out there (and no, I am not suggesting you have this view). To think you are going to convert 1.2 Billion Muslims worldwide (CIA World Factbook est. 2005) to Christianity is naive.
So to rid the problem, are we ready to go out and fight an all out holy war and end them? I think not.
Seeker, you are right in that Radical Islam is a problem, and that branch is a cancer, but to what degree? Islam never had a Reformation akin to Christian Reformation. That is what one scholar on NPR argued is happening now with Islam.
Considering the sheer numbers of Muslims wordwide, with a projected growthrate of 3 – 6.4%/year vs 1.5 – 2.3%/year for Christianity (http://www.religioustolerance.org/growth_isl_chr.htm), there isn't going to be any easy solution short of some extreme measures.
Based on that Seeker, what is your solution? All I see is complaints, statistics, and moves indicating that it is a problem.
Short of a enlightened solution based upon the reality of the global situation, I think we are just going to have to nuke them.
Great points protagonist. I've said much of the same to Seeker like "this kind of thinking (fascist/Nazi) is dangerous", "It's unrealistic to turn Muslims into Christians" and "You are just fear/hate mongering" but Seeker does not listen to me since I am not a Christian.
Chew on this Seeker…
The Turkish Republic: A Unique Democratic and Secular Islamic Country
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vo…
But guess what? Muslim fundamentalists are trying to destroy the separation of church and state there as well. There is also a movement in Turkey to have Muslim Creationist Theory (BAV) taught in Turkish schools to replace Evolution. Sound familiar? So you see, Christian fundamentalists and Islamic fundamentalists have something in common: you are both poison to rational thought and mainstream secular democracies. Habeas Corpus R.I.P.
Need more parallels?
However, at the turn of the millennium, scientists and academics in Turkey realized that they were besieged by fundamentalist Islamists and a public convinced by Harun Yahya that evolution has collapsed. Even so, most of the scientific organizations and university professors remain unmoved to act against the pseudoscience of BAV. However, the authors of this article believe that defending science and evolution is indispensable in a democracy, and we believe that every single statement of Harun Yahya and BAV should be opposed by using scientific knowledge. As a part of our effort to do so, we have written numerous articles to defend evolution and inform the public about what science really says (see Kence 1982, 1985, 1994a, 1944b; Sayin 1998c, 1998d, 1998e).
So, why don't you American Creationist extremists join hands with your Muslim Creationist brothers and sisters and teach the creationism of both religions in schools?
The point is for now, before your Islamic fundamentalist counterparts in Turkey take complete control, Turkey is an example of a Secular Muslim democracy that works.
This is priceless… Hmmmm, this rings a bell ROFL!
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vo…
One big difference, the one that MAY be our saving grace:
US citizens have guns. Lots of them.
Muslims can inimidate people in big liberal cities the same way that blacks can because of gun control, but in flyover country, we feel it is our right to walk down any street we want to and the law backs us up.
I do wish liberals would wake up though. But even awake, they seem intent on cowardice and collaboration.
This all reminds me of an Oct. 17 article in the L.A. Times entitled "For Gays, A Loud New Foe." It examines a disturbing phenomena occuring in the Sacramento area where a large community of Russian immigrants has settled. These people, Russian Orthodox Christians, have become loudly vocal activists against any gay visibility or any gay rights. They gather in the thousands to attend virulently anti-gay demonstrations, gay pride events, and legislative sessions. These xians have been known to attack gays at gay pride events, surrounding them to shout, spit, and even strike them.
I see no difference between this phenomenon and the Muslim immigrant threat discussed above (Muslims in Europe are also horrible threats to gay people, coming, as do the Russians, from backward and religiously primitive patriarchal countries). The problem is religious immigrants and their refusal to adapt to their adopted culture, prefering to change or threaten it. The religious here either look on approvingly or actively cooperate in their vile pogrom.
They should all just go back where they came from.
In short, I think you've got it backwards. You are saying that my conservative position is akin to the Nazi position, and that I am approaching the Muslims like the Nazi's treated the Jews.
However, the way I see it, you, and modern day France and Europe, are approaching the Islamists the way Europe approached the Nazis – naive and trusting, not wanting to judge, all the while being willfully ignorant of the obvious truth. France waited so long, they became captives, and it seems that they again lead the way in submission to the modern day threat of Islam.
Just like Europe believed Hitler's overtures to peace and his promises in treaties, modern day Islamic apologists are doing the same. While Nazi defenders might have said "let's not be xenophobic about the Germans," all the while the innocent German people were being taken in by an evil ideology with evil leaders, and Germany was plotting conquest.
And I propose that this is what is happening today. Innocent people are being taken in by a wicked ideology with wicked leaders. Like the Nazis, teh Muslim ideology and leaders are out to exterminate the Jews (and all unbelievers), to use lying and deceit in order to conquer other countries and cultures, and to proclaim their superiority.
While you may comfort yourselves in thinking that I am overreacting, the real issue is, you are being duped by a demonic power and ideology. And rather than taking steps to protect yourselves, you attack those who raise the alarm – not just myself, but the growing number of secularists, ex-Muslims, Christians, conservative scholars, and even liberals like Bruce Bawer, who besides his latest book While Europe Slept, has also written pro-gay and anti-fundamentalists books.
Again, wake up, and instead of attacking the messengers, see Islam for what it really is – a present, serious threat, greater than ANY other ideology in our modern day.
In short, I think you've got it backwards. You are saying that my conservative position is akin to the Nazi position, and that I am approaching the Muslims like the Nazi's treated the Jews.
No Seeker, I do not have it backwards. Nor am I saying that your personal conservative position is akin to the Nazis.
Perhaps you missed the point while managing to completely avoid providing an enlightened solution short of killing the Muslims off?
While one can draw parallels between the post-World War I German hysteria created by the Nazi's in blaming the Jews for all the world's problems and the generic labeling of Muslims and Islam as a Cancer, the ultimate solution (no matter how repugnant) was to kill them.
No amount of clensing, converting, or showing the world how "evil they were" was going to solve the problem with the Jews in Nazi Germany. I really don't see many Jews living in Germany or Eastern Europe today, do you?
Look, there are far too many practicing Muslims in the world (1.2 billion as of 2005) and a growth rate far outstripping Chistianity (see previous post). So, how are you going to deal with that growth rate and solve the problem? Convert 1.2 billion Muslims to Christianity? It is probably a noble cause, but naive to think that is the answer.
Yes it is an issue, yes it is serious, but what is the answer?
So again, I raise the question again (below) and ask you Seeker with respect to suggest how we should deal with the problem.
Based on that Seeker, what is your solution? All I see is complaints, statistics, and moves indicating that it is a problem.
As of this moment, I don't see that there is an enlightened solution short of just launching our ICBMs and tactical nukes and just taking out the centers of Islam starting with Mecca.
Based on that Seeker, what is your solution? All I see is complaints, statistics, and moves indicating that it is a problem.
I'm not Seeker, but I'll take a stab at this. I think the answer is secular education. Muslims must reform/transform themeselves. There must be a call to reason in Islam and they must have the will to follow. Here is one such call I often reference…
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The Secular Islamic Democracy of Turkey should be used as a model. It is now beseiged by Islamic Fundamentalists however and science and seperation of church and state there must be defended against their assault.
providing an enlightened solution short of killing the Muslims off
Did you not read the post? I listed SEVEN things we need to do, NONE of which involved killing people off. How can you miss it when it's right in front of your eyes? It is obviously a severe blindness you have. For your benefit, I'll repeat it
1. Take legislative action
2. Have the feds infiltrate and monitor radical muslim organizations in the US, and prosecute those who are guilty of promoting violence, sedition, and in addition, the RICO laws
3. Partner with and support moderate muslims
4. Educate ourselves on what Democracy is and why it works
5. Educate ourselves on what Muslims believe, and prepare for Christians service and evangelism
6. Prepare to suffer for doing good
7. Prepare to defend yourself and your family, with arms if necessary
the ultimate solution (no matter how repugnant) was to kill them.
If they persist in voilence and conquest and threats on our own soil, and fail to respond to diplomacy and the rule of law, radical muslims should be killed like rabid dogs, just like the Nazis. Moderates who are not engaged in such should be left alone. The problem is, the radicals are not just a vocal minority, they are significant minority, perhaps larger than the numbers of moderates or liberal muslims, and certainly sympathizers among the moderates, who wouldn't do violence themselves, but give tacit consent and won't raise their voices against it.
So, how are you going to deal with that growth rate and solve the problem?
See steps 1-7 above.
I think the answer is secular education. Muslims must reform/transform themeselves.
I think that is part of the answer. However, because secularism is impotent in answering man's need for God, it must be coupled with some approach to spirituality. This is why I often say that we need to give them a cocktail of secular humanism and Christianity.
However, because secularism is impotent in answering man’s need for God, it must be coupled with some approach to spirituality.
“How can you miss it when it’s right in front of your eyes? It is obviously a severe blindness you have. For your benefit, I’ll repeat it”…
You are like some kind of Christian Superhero who’s super power is the ability to shield your mind from facts and reality and maintain a state of ingnorance at all costs. Continue to be Christian, continue to be Muslim, but also be secular (seperation of church and state). Try as you might to shield your mind from reality Super Seeker, I’ll hammer home the fact that Turkey is “A Unique Democratic and Secular Islamic Country.”
Turkish Constitution forbids the religious laws from dominating government and society and requires that the state and religion be separated (Article 2, Turkish Constitution [revised in 1982]).
Your foolish argument that secularism does not meet “man’s requirment for God” has been raped.
So, you still don't admit that I put up SEVEN things to do that did not involve killing Muslims. You ignored that, claiming I made no such suggestions. I'll assume you recant your statement.
Regarding successful Secular states, I understand that you think a country can work with a secular government that is not antithetical to religion, but I find in secularism the seeds of its own demise, specifically:
– its use of opinion and subjectivity in determining what is right and moral, and regarding human rights (as opposed to our system, that claims human rights come from God, not the opinions of men)
– its vulnerability to killing off the weak via abortion, eugenics, and ethenasia, and other ideas linked to the bankrupt evolutionary world view (vs. the view that humans are more valuable than animals, and that all human life is of value)
– it's antagonism to all religion that does not bow to its secular demands – it would rather have people dying in the ghettos than give money to faith-based organizations
In Turkey, which I admit has done an admirable job, the only way it has worked is with military and government control of religion:
Question Seeker…
Which type of society do Evangelicals favor more?
1. Muslim fundamentalist society that believes in creation, albeit by Allah, pro-life, and a fundamental belief in God, albeit Allah.
or…
2. Secular society that believes in seperation of church and state, evolution, pro-choice, and religious equality?
So, you still don't admit that I put up SEVEN things to do that did not involve killing Muslims. You ignored that, claiming I made no such suggestions. I'll assume you recant your statement.
Ummmm, Seeker… You are talking to the wrong person.
Sorry Cin, it was protagonist I was answering. Dang.
BTW, I'd rather have a secular society, but not a secular fundamentalist society that rejects morality like being against abortion with arguments that that is a religious stand.
…secular fundamentalist society that rejects morality like being against abortion with arguments that that is a religious stand.
Secular Fundamentalism: An ideological movement characterized by a return to fundamental principles. -Seeker
First…
There have never been any "fundamentals" that secularism can "return" to. Secularism has always been…
1. a system of political or social philosophy that rejects all forms of religious faith and worship. 2. the view that public education and other matters of civil policy should be conducted without the introduction of a religious element.
So, you tell me, what is fundamentalist secularism as opposed to just secularism? Really, how does it differ from the above definition?
You slap the term "fundamentalist" on secularism and it means nothing and in fact it's a contradiction of the very definition you provided; "fundamentalism" is "intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism." By the definition for fundamentalism you provided, "secular fundamentalism" means a type of secularism that opposes itself. Pure genius! (pure sarcasm intended)
Second…
Isn't the morality behind conflating the destruction of blastocyts with murder a "religious stand?"
You are scary. I hope you will remain in a position outside power or influence or I fear we will see the crusades of the 12th century repeated all over. Please don't vote.
Mr. Gnostic, you are easily scared, but you should be scared about letting Islam into your culture.
If you knew its consistently oppressive and bloody history, not to mention it's anti-semitic, racist, and grossly bigoted and oppressive teachings, you would resist it with words before it's too late.
In the previous two Muslim waves of aggression in history, free people had to eventually take up arms to liberate themselves. The regrettable Crusades were largely a justifiable defensive war after 400 years of Muslim aggression. Remember, Islam has always conquered and subjugated by the sword.
I hope it does not come to that, but it will if you mistake my aggression against such inhuman and bad ideas as Islam for aggression against people, and if you fail to do something other than attack those who are asking you to wake up and smell the coffee.