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December 19, 2011

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Why the Evil God Challenge Fails

In The Evil God Challenge – Flipping Arguments, I attempted to outline Stephen Law’s argument against the existence of a good God. In this post, I present the arguments that undermine Law’s argument. Enjoy.

1. Theodicies are NOT arguments FOR a good God.

In the EGC, Law is not debating any of the traditional philosophic arguments FOR the existence of God (though he does argue against the Moral Argument elsewhere).

Instead, he takes the theodicies created to defend Christianity against the Problem of Evil and flips them to show that in many instances, they show an equal possibility of an evil God. The problem here is that these arguments are not meant to show that a good God’s existence is probable, only that it is logically possible that an all good God and evil could logically exist.

In fact, theodicies aren’t even an argument FOR a good God, they are a defense AGAINST the argument that it is logically impossible, which most philosophers now agree is bogus – that is, most agree that the arguments of Alvin Plantinga and others have definitively proven the logical possibility of an omni-God and evil co-existing.

2. Good and Evil are not equal and opposite

In his argument against the Moral Argument for God, Law questions the first premise, and states that the premise is still debated and not settled among philosophers, citing that even Christian philosopher Richard Swinburne takes issue with it.  To review, the Moral Argument is:

  1. If objective morals exist, God must exist.
  2. Objective morals do exist
  3. Therefore, God exists.

If read in the light of Law’s EGC, Law’s version of the Moral Argument might better read:

  1. If objective morals exist, they could exist due to a God who is all good, or all evil (or morally neutral, but let’s hold that till later).
  2. Since a good God is not required for objective morals to exist, it is just as likely that an evil god exists.
  3. Therefore, it is not necessary that a good God exists.

Evil Can Not Create

But here’s the problem – it is assumed that an evil God could create both good and evil to further his purposes. But by classic definition, evil can not CREATE, it can only destroy, so an evil god could NOT create good, nor positive moral duties and punishments.

Let me clarify with an example. While light is a real substance that can be quantified, darkness is not – darkness is not a thing, it is the ABSENCE of a thing, namely light.

You don’t create darkness to replace light, you can only remove light. It is the same with good and evil, by classic definition. When Christians say that God is all good and created only good, the classic Evidential Problem of Evil responds “well then where did evil come from if God created everything?”

The answer is thus – evil is not created, it is the removal of good through the willfulness of the created creatures that brings evil into existence.

So it does not make sense to say that positive objective morals can be created by an evil God, because evil is just a lack, not a positive created thing.

The Euthyphro Dilemma Revisited

Further, let’s remind ourselves of the Euthyphro dilemma (a false dilemma), which states that

  1. Either goodness is good because God commands it (no matter what is really is), or goodness is good independent of God.
  2. The first is irrational if objective morals exist, and the second obviates God
  3. Therefore, God is not necessary for goodness or knowing what is right.

William Craig’s answer to this is simple and profound – good is not so just because God declares it (though he sometimes does declare it because we get confused and darkened by sin), nor is it good independent of God – it is an expression of His nature, that is, it is grounded in and comes from God.

With this in mind, if we examine Law’s evil god, such a god does not have goodness in his nature in order to ground, create, declare, or enforce good, so he could ONLY declare such things if the good God actually existed – which is a logical contradiction.

Again, the reason that evil can exist with the presence of a good God is that evil does not emanate from God, but exists in the REMOVAL of God’s goodness, either by sin or, as a result of sin, in God’s justice and judgement (the latter of which is another discussion).

The Ontological Argument Revisited

As I wrote in The Evil God Challenge – Flipping Arguments, I once challenged William Craig with the question “why can’t the OA be used to support the existence of an omnipotent EVIL god just as well as an omnipotent GOOD god?”

His response was also based on the nature and differences between good and evil. Evil is not a created thing, but merely an absence (that’ s my interpretation of what he said, he might or might not have meant that). He stated that, by definition, a maximally great being would be GOOD, not EVIL, because by definition, good is greater than evil.

I’m sure we could spend hours debating that premise, but leave it to say that, like the theodicies and Moral Argument above, the Ontological Argument can not simply be flipped because good and evil are not equal and opposite. The former is created, the latter is an absence.

3. Failing to address Natural Theological arguments means the EGC is weak.

If my objections to Law’s EGC hold water, then we’re back to the standard and powerfully reasonable and persuasive arguments for God’s existence – Cosmological, Ontological, Moral, and Teleological.  That is, Law’s attempt to focus on the weaknesses in the arguments for a good god, at least as he sees them defended in theodicies (which of course, they are not aimed at), is a mere trick that can be, as I’ve attempted, dispensed with by revealing his bad assumptions.

Now, I’m sure Law may argue against the standard arguments of Natural Theology, as well as arguments from the Evidential Problem of Evil, but the EGC certainly does not address them.

CONCLUSION

The Evil God Challenge is an interesting but unfruitful ruse – based on some bad assumptions about the purpose of theodicies and the nature of good and evil, it draws some poor conclusions – namely that the existence of an evil God is just as likely as that of a good God, and therefore, both must be dismissed.

Now, the argument for a neutral God might have merit (from the atheist point of view), but I haven’t seen Law make such an argument. He does take issue with the Moral Argument, which I will address in a future post. Cheers.

 

 

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  1. goliah
    Dec 20 2011

    The Existence of God and the Problem of Evil” presupposes two elements. One, that the Incarnation was intended to provide means to defeat evil, and that those religions, mainly the christian tradition that interpret and claim to represent that event are in some way true. The first may be true if unproved but if the second is false, that would explain why evil has yet to be conquered.

    As a humanity, we have all been conditioned or indoctrinated, for all of history by ‘theological’ exegesis, particularly by those with their own religious claims and agendas, to accept that a literal proof of God is not possible for faith. And thus all discussion of morality and apologists ‘theodicy’ is contained within this self limiting intellectual paradigm and bubble of presumption, especially evident in the frictions between science and religion. It would now appear that all sides squabbling over the God question, religious, atheist and history itself have it wrong! That bubble could now burst at any time!

    The first wholly new interpretation for two thousand years of the moral teachings of Christ is published on the web. Radically different from anything else we know of from history, this new teaching is predicated upon a precise and predefined experience, a direct individual intervention into the natural world by omnipotent power to confirm divine will, command and covenant, “correcting human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness and human ethical perception beyond all natural evolutionary boundaries.” So like it or no, a new moral religious claim testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists. Nothing short of a religious revolution is getting under way. More info at http://www.energon.org.uk

  2. danielg
    Dec 22 2011

    Goliah,

    1. Your assumptions

    I think your first paragraph, about the suppositions behind the Problem of Evil, are incorrect – they don’t go back far enough to the PROBLEM, but start at the supposed SOLUTION (of the Incarnation).

    Simply put, I think the problem of evil addresses the assumption that IF God is only good and created everything, how do you logically square that with the existence of evil? I don’t think that you need the incarnation to address this question.

    Possible explanations include:

    1. Deny Evil: There is no evil, you just imagine it.

    2. Deny God’s Goodness: God can’t be all good, He had to create evil

    3. Deny God’s Omnipotence: God can’t be almighty and all good, or He would do something about it.

    4. Logical Possibility: God allows evil for some mysterious, worthy reason (theodicies)

    5. Belligerence: Who are you to ask such questions, you rebellious infidel?!?

    While many Christians claim #4, this is not an argument FOR a good God, just a defense of the logical *possibility* that an entirely good God and evil could co-exist. The likelihood of that claim is another matter.

    As I understand it, Dr. Law says that the *unlikelihood* of God being good means that the Christian God does not exist. I think that’s weak, esp. in light of the actual arguments FOR theism and the ‘flaws’ in his ideas about good an devil..

    2. “And thus all discussion of morality and apologists ‘theodicy’ is contained within this self limiting intellectual paradigm and bubble of presumption”

    No, this argument is limited because the subject matter is limited – theodicies are a response to only the Problem of Evil (which, btw, may present an even bigger logical problem for atheism), and not more.

    The problem of evil does not address the strong arguments for theism, nor the historical claims regarding Jesus, nor the existence of objective morals, etc.

    3. “So like it or no, a new moral religious claim testable by faith, meeting all Enlightenment criteria of evidence based causation and definitive proof now exists.”

    The crude site you link to is hardly an alternative to the robust and deep Christian world view. Is it any more than a shrine to John Milton? The supposed ‘correcting human nature…etc.” claims seem like little more than psychobabble. Please, don’t just link to a lame site filled with poetic musings.

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