Only the truth matters. If I'm right, your hope for gay acceptance is in vain except in a society doomed to self-destruct.

Your opinion doesn't matter.

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No, I gave you proof, you just don't find it convincing. What proof WOULD you expect for something 'against nature'? For you, since there is no design, this concept doesn't even matter to you. Killing? Not against nature, who said beings are meant to live?

Mortality and morbidity are the best measures – the many maladies associated with esp. male homosexuality are well known, and not just with the gross promiscuity of male homosexuals (2-10x worse than the gross promiscuity of heteros).

Total inability to naturally procreate is telling (as a rule, not an exception, like the dysfunction we find in heteros who can't procreate). So is level of associated mental illness and many other indirect factors such as prevalence of prior dysfunctional development.

But you see, I don't care if you or anyone THINKS it is not blatantly and obviously against nature and repugnant to the healthy conscience and pscyhe. If I am right about that, then my point stands. If I am wrong, than my opinion doesn't matter either.

What I am saying is that I am convinced that I am correct, and IF I am, your hope for acceptance outside of a totally depraved culture is in vain.

>> LOUIS: your invocation of right-wing, fundamentalist christianism

I am not asking you to fear God or Christianism. I am asking you to fear reality. If I am correct, your disdain for Christian morality is kicking at the goads, spitting in the wind, and crapping where you eat.

If I am wrong about reality, you have nothing to fear. But I doubt I am incorrect about homosexuality being aberrant.

>> LOUIS: The only hordes I'm worried about are the fundamentalist and literalist no-nothings, Christian or Muslim or whatever, who are the real threats to civilization.

As I've said, your only hope against the murderous Muslim hordes are not humanist panderings, but rather, the robust Christian viewpoint. That's why, right now, it is more dangerous to be a gay in Amersterdam than Atlanta – not because of progressive secularism – that's what they've got in Europe, and you see how well that protected them and gays from Islam.

Your best friend right now is your perceived enemy, Christianity. Not only does it NOT threaten you mortally and protects your basic human rights, it has the only hope to deliver you from the bondage of homosexuality.

>> LOUIS: The only depravity here is in your mind, a zone I don't pretend (and don't want) to understand.

Suppressing the truth (Romans 1) in your own life (except the truth of your homosexual dysfunction, which you must embrace), how can you understand anyone, let alone someone who attempts to think biblically?

Romans 8:5-8
For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

And you should know that Christians are concerned when people desert the truth, but not because they feel alone or self-pitying, or because *they* feel deserted. They understand the cost of doing so for those who desert the truth, their children, and the culture.

I'm sure you hope that homosexuality will one day be as accepted as heterosexuality, but as I've pointed out numerous times, the fact that is is blatantly and obviously against nature means that it will never be seen as normal except in the most depraved of cultures – the kind that God had to destroy, like Sodom or the pre-deluvian world.

Once a nation or people reach that level of depravity (as Romans 1 describes it), God abandons such nations to their folly. We may get there, but that's not a great destination.

Be sure to welcome the Muslim hordes in while you are at it, as Europe has done. Abandon Christ and the Holy God who hates sin (homosexuality included) and you have little protection against real spiritual evil.

And make no mistake, those ARE your choices.