Comments on: What happened on Easter Sunday? Pt 1

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:45 +0000

Okay, I just wanted to get where you were coming from.
I dont’ forget about Lazarus (neither did first century leaders, who wanted to kill him with Jesus), but my relationship with God is not dependent on Lazarus.
Our lesson this Sunday gave a good point. It said Lazarus’ experience was a simply resusitation (sp?). He would die again and stay dead, whereas Jesus’ was a true resurrection. He would never die again.
Eventually, I think I’ll get to your explanation of the resurrection and I am interested to see what you think.

By: Cineaste

Cineaste — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:46:15 +0000

Do you believe that Jesus came down from the cross alive?
I believe he came down dead and stayed that way. Why did he stay dead? Because it's a fact dead people stay dead when they die. Don't forget about Lazarus!

By: Aaron

Aaron — Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:59:42 +0000

Cineaste, after I get done with the options (this week). I want you to either give me a new one or describe why my reasons for rejecting the other reasons are wrong.
Like with this explanation. Do you believe that Jesus came down from the cross alive?

By: danielg

danielg — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:54:43 +0000

That was a half jest. People who lack faith certainly can display character, even character and virtue superior to self-proclaimed Christians.
However, as discussed previously, lack of faith is associated with a relative deficit in generosity, and may be associated, in general, with other character flaws. I am suggesting, but not claiming, that the lack of faith may need to be viewed as a personal lack, despite what other substantial pluses a person has.
I suggest this because most atheists and secularists view their position as a superior one to faith, which they confuse with superstition.

By: Cineaste

Cineaste — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:04:02 +0000

I don't know anymore whether the ;) is a heartfelt chide or if Seeker actually means it.

By: Cineaste

Cineaste — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:01:25 +0000

Sure Silver, count me in…
Faithlessness used to be considered a character flaw. Perhaps it should be again ;)
Though you are right I did lose faith in Santa, to pacify Seeker’s self-righteousness I will say that I do maintain devout faith in His noodleyness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I have a feeling though that any old faith just won’t do. Seeker wants people to worship his ridiculous interpretation of God instead.

By: Silver Hallide

Silver Hallide — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:41:12 +0000

Of course you find it wishful thinking. For you, faith does not really exist. Faithlessness used to be considered a character flaw. Perhaps it should be again ;)
I can easily see the makings of another Cin vs. Seeker free for all. And I will, for the time being, sit back and watch.
- Silver

By: danielg

danielg — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:50:10 +0000

Actually, the whole of Christianity hangs on whether or not Jesus rose from the dead, and lives now in us upon invitation. Paul the Apostle said that if Jesus did nor rise from the dead, then we are pitiable fools.
In fact, this historical claim is what makes Jesus unique from other supposed or real prophets – he was not just a man, but has the power to conquer death, and for those who believe, the fear of death. No small claim.
Of course you find it wishful thinking. For you, faith does not really exist. Faithlessness used to be considered a character flaw. Perhaps it should be again ;)

By: Cineaste

Cineaste — Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:03:17 +0000

I believe that death happens to everyone. Statistics seem to support this assertion. Christians want to believe that Jesus is an exception. That is wishful thinking. We celebrate this wishful thinking every Easter. Next thing you know, Christians will assert that Jesus didn't pay taxes either. Death and Taxes, get it?